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		<title>Proposition 8 is Winning</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>cranky one</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not in California, nor am I an American, and yet the news that Proposition 8 is winning is just as depressing for me, as if I was a Californian. I am Gay and Damn Proud of It, but it seems that these days, that is not such a good thing. Whether one lives [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not in California, nor am I an American, and yet the news that <strong>Proposition 8</strong> is winning is just as depressing for me, as if I was a Californian. <strong>I am Gay and Damn Proud of It</strong>, but it seems that these days, that is not such a good thing. Whether one lives in California or even in Canada, Homosexuals are under attack, literally, from the so called <span style="color: #0000ff;">Religious Right</span>.</p>
<p><strong>Proposition 8</strong> is about denying same sex people from being Married, that the <strong>California Supreme Court</strong> ruled on, saying it was required under the U.S. Constitution. Now many people are rushing about with their heads chopped off, in pure panic, that <span style="color: #0000ff;">Gay Marriage</span> will somehow make gay sex a course in elementary schools, will make us Homosexuals convert more naive boys into being sex toys.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>HOW BIGOTED.</strong></span></p>
<p>And yet that is what is happening, as the supporters (not all, but a fair number) are saying. They use <strong>FEAR</strong> and outright <strong>LIES</strong> to scare people into supporting their Proposition, which is to <strong>DENY GAYS EQUAL RIGHTS UNDER CIVIL LAW</strong>.  This isn&#8217;t about forcing <strong>ANY CHURCH</strong> to recognize Gay Marriage, or force any <strong>SCHOOL</strong> to teach <strong>GAY SEX</strong>.  It is about being able to live as God Created Us, as <strong>Gay Men &amp; Women.</strong></p>
<p>The amount of money being spent by these people is amazing. Largely in thanks to the various <span style="color: #0000ff;">Ultra Conservative Evangelicals &amp; the Mormon Church</span>. So it is time for those who truly believe in Democracy, in <strong>FREEDOM OF RELIGION</strong> to reach into their pockets and support the <strong>NO ON PROP 8</strong> people.</p>
<p>This is <a title="donate here to NO on Prop 8" href="https://secure.ga4.org/01/their_lies_are_working?source=emaila" target="_self"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>WHERE YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE</strong></span></span></a>.</p>
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		<title>Forcing a Viewpoint.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>cranky one</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder at times, is it right to push one viewpoint over another? Where does the line get drawn between &#8216;bashing&#8216; and simply forceful debate, forceful differences of opinion? Take the whole issues of Religion and Homosexuality. The Head of the Anglicans has asked that no new Bishops be consecrated, if they are homosexuals. It [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder at times, is it right to push one viewpoint over another? Where does the line get drawn between &#8216;<span style="color: #0000ff;">bashing</span>&#8216; and simply forceful debate, forceful differences of opinion?</p>
<h2>Take the whole issues of Religion and Homosexuality.</h2>
<p>The <strong>Head of the Anglicans</strong> has asked that no new Bishops be consecrated, if they are homosexuals. It is a desire to avoid a schism in the <span style="color: #0000ff;">Anglican wing of Christianity</span>, and I wonder, is that request a blow to <a title="california conservative court approves marriage for gays" href="http://www.gaystoryman.com/talk/2008/05/16/gay-marriage-in-california/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Gay Rights,</span></span></a> or simply an attempt to let nature take its course?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;A fellow Christian may believe they have a profound fresh insight. They seek to persuade others about it. A healthy church gives space for such exchanges,&#8221; he told the 650 bishops at the meeting in Canterbury, England. &#8220;But the Christian with the new insight can&#8217;t claim straight away that this is now what the Church of God believes or intends.&#8221; (source &#8211; <a title="more on this story here" href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-08-03-anglican-gay_N.htm?csp=34" target="_blank">USA Today</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>It makes sense to a point, but I wonder really is this about having space to debate the issue, or is it really a veiled attempt at keeping the opponents of same sex marriage, preachers, Bishops, happy? Is this appeasement, or truly an attempt to open a dialogue free from pressure? And should there be such a cooling off period, such a moratorium?</p>
<p>What one believes in, what their faith is, <span style="color: #0000ff;">is rather a personal thing</span>. I don&#8217;t know if any <strong>Organized Religious Group</strong> can truly alter how any single member feels. Does having a <strong>Gay Bishop</strong> matter to the man whose child is suffering from Cancer? Does a woman who&#8217;s been raped truly care if two guys can be married in her Church?</p>
<p>Is what a Preacher says on the pulpit going to really make a <strong>Gay Man</strong> deny his homosexuality, or suddenly become Heterosexual?  Will the sermons of Hate about Gays really change, even if the hierarchy allow same sex marriage? I know that the story of the Wandering Jew is still preached, even when Popes have said it is a wrong message. I know that there are still many who preach about separation of races, and yet in society, race segregation isn&#8217;t tolerated.</p>
<p>The belief of racists didn&#8217;t stop the <strong>Civil Rights</strong> movement, even when it was led by the same style of Preacher and Politician that we have today, so does it really matter if some major religious group supports or opposes Gays in their Church? Most <span style="color: #0000ff;">Religious Orders</span> believe in Compassion, are supposedly <strong>INTOLERANT OF HATE</strong>, and yet that is exactly what they do. Despite all the sermons about loving one&#8217;s neighbour, one&#8217;s brother, it is clear that their sermons really have no effect, so why should we fight so hard for them to accept us?</p>
<p>Does it matter if the Bishop over in Texas of California accepts us? Isn&#8217;t it more important that we believe that <strong>GOD</strong> does? And really until <strong>HE</strong> comes down to Earth, to tell us we are <strong>Sinners, or Not,</strong> it is simply a personal belief. No Pope, no Bishop, No Rabbi, can change how <strong>WE BELIEVE IN GOD</strong>.</p>
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		<title>Missing the Point</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>cranky one</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Making it marriage is not just about financial benefits. It is about sending a powerful message to those who blindly hate others, for no reason but their differences. It is about ending the cycle of bullying, of violence against people who are different. Calling it something else, is just pandering to those fears, to those who justify their racism &#038; violence. Marriage is a symbol, one that all people are entitled to under civil law, because all laws apply to all people, equally. You can't pick who any single law applies to, for if you do, then that is discrimination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Gay Talk opinions, debates, discussions" href="http://www.gaystoryman.com/talk/" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none ; margin: 0px 12px; float: left;" title="Bill of Rights" src="http://gay-247.com/comments/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/document.jpg" alt="Gay Talk for opinions and more opinions" width="175" height="193" /></a>At times, <strong>Marriage</strong> seems to dominate my thinking.</p>
<p>Not sure why, except that I think way too many people are missing the finer points of why we need to have it clearly stated, across the Globe, that two men or two women can be <a title="Gay Talk on what a marriage license means" href="http://www.gaystoryman.com/talk/index.php/2006/01/21/more-than-a-piece-of-paper/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>legally bound in Marriage</strong></span></span></a>. Now, that doesn’t mean any <strong>Religious Order</strong> has to perform that ceremony, or even acknowledge it, but it does mean that our Government <strong>MUST</strong>.</p>
<p>While there are practical benefits, financial ones as well, there is another more important reason <strong>WHY IT HAS TO BE MARRIAGE</strong>. To begin with it is about the <strong>CHILDREN</strong>. I know, it sounds a bit odd, but kids learn racism, hatred, and <a class="answerlink" href="http://www.answers.com/topic/bigotry?nafid=22">bigotry</a> from the Adults and Society. If we teach them that being different is somehow evil, somehow <strong>UNGODLY</strong>, we are teaching them <strong>HATRED</strong>.  Take how the Religious Right objected to the simple fact that in the popular children’s book series, Harry Potter, that <a title="Gay Talk on the outing of Dumbledore" href="http://www.gaystoryman.com/talk/index.php/2007/10/25/outing-dumbledore/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dumbledore was Gay</span></span></a>.</p>
<p>When you have Presidents, Popes, and other Authority Figures going around saying that it is vital for the moral well being of a nation to <strong>DENY EQUAL RIGHTS</strong> to a portion of their society, it sends a signal to the kids. It tells them that <strong>Gays Aren’t Equal</strong>, are somehow bad. It leads to taunts, to bullying in schools, and it leads to violence. <span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Just ask the parents of <a class="answerlink" href="http://www.answers.com/topic/matthew-shepard?nafid=22">Mathew Shepard</a>.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong></strong></span>Having the <span style="color: #0000ff;">right to Marry</span> won’t end that kind of thinking, but it goes a long way to ending it. Yet it does more than that, because it also becomes a symbol for <strong>Gay Teens</strong>. It says to them, while they recover from the physical and mental abuse of their peers, that there is <strong>HOPE.</strong> It says to them, as they contemplate ending their young lives, that things can change, that<strong> AUTHORITY DOES RECOGNIZE THEM AS BEING EQUAL</strong>. It says that they are just as worthy of being a part of society as any heterosexual is.</p>
<p>And that is a<strong> POWERFUL SYMBOL</strong>. <span style="color: #0000ff;">It can make the difference between a gay teen becoming one more suicide statistic,</span> <strong>OR NOT</strong>.</p>
<p>A leading cause of death among <span style="color: #0000ff;">Gay Teens</span>, <strong>IS SUICIDE</strong>. By doing what is right, by not highlighting the differences, we can help make that a non issue. By granting of <strong>MARRIAGE</strong>, we say to the Gay Teens that they are not <a class="answerlink" href="http://www.answers.com/topic/the-pariahs?nafid=22">pariahs</a>, that they are not evil or worse. Now I don’t know, but from all I have read about<span style="color: #800080;"> Jesus Christ</span>, that is sort of what he stood for, to take unto him the unpopular? Makes one wonder why it is <strong>HIS CHURCH</strong> that is so adamant about keeping <span style="color: #0000ff;"><a class="answerlink" href="http://www.answers.com/topic/the-homosexuals?nafid=22">homosexuals</a> in the closet</span>, <strong>doesn’t it?</strong></p>
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		<title>Changing Views, they say</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>cranky one</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the recent decision by the California Supreme Court, granting homosexuals the same legal right to be married as other citizens, it seems that the view on gay marriage is changing. &#8216;SEEMS&#8217; I said, because frankly I don&#8217;t quite see it that way. (CBS) Most Americans continue to think there should be some legal recognition [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the recent decision by the<strong> California Supreme Court</strong>, granting homosexuals the same legal right to be married as other citizens, it seems that the view on gay marriage is changing. <strong> &#8216;SEEMS&#8217;</strong> I said, because frankly I don&#8217;t quite see it that way.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>(CBS) </strong><!-- sphereit start -->Most Americans continue to think there should be some legal recognition of gay and lesbian couples, and 30 percent say same-sex couples should be allowed to marry &#8211; the highest number since <strong>CBS News</strong> began asking this question in 2004.(source &#8211; <a title="more from CBS News" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/13/opinion/polls/main4180335.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4180335" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">CBS News</span></span></a><span style="color: #000000;">)</span></p></blockquote>
<p>It is something I simply do not understand. I know up here in Canada, the majority support the right of Homosexuals to be married. After all, it really has nothing to do with any particular Church or Religious Order even. Mind you, awhile back the <strong>Conservative Jewish Congregation</strong> voted overwhelmingly to allow for Gay Rabbi&#8217;s as well as to allow for ceremonies between <strong>Gay Couples</strong> to take place in the Shul, synagogue, church.  So that basically was the last piece in the Jewish Group that had been holding out on same sex marriage. Only the super ultra orthodox wing, a few per cent of all Jews, still refuses to acknowledge that two members of the same sex can be in love, and live as a couple.</p>
<p>Fact is that I don&#8217;t know of any Gays who are pressing for any Church to let them be married in their facilities, or are pushing for ANY LAW that <strong>REQUIRES</strong> a Priest, Pastor, Preacher, or whatever to marry them either. They are simply wanting to be treated <strong>EQUALLY UNDER THE CIVIL LAWS OF THE COUNTRY</strong>.  That too is what the <strong>California Supreme Court</strong> stated in its decision, as a reason for granting <strong>Marriage</strong> over <span style="color: #0000ff;">Civil Unions</span> or <span style="color: #0000ff;">Civil Partnerships</span>.</p>
<p>I am legally married. I can honestly say that it has its ups and downs, spiritually, but legally it does really make a difference, specially as I get older. My health is not the greatest, and I can see problems coming up as I get even older, <strong>God Willing</strong>. So it does help, to know that if I am unable to make my own decisions, that someone who knows me, who loves me, will be there to make those decisions, Plus, they will be <strong>ENTITLED TO DO SO</strong>.</p>
<p>I also know that fear of the unknown is not good for someone who is ill. By having some piece of mind, in knowing that <strong>David</strong> will be there to render decisions, and that the hospital <strong>MUST LISTEN</strong>, is a good thing. That is what this is all about. Not just about benefits or tax breaks, but of having some piece of mind, that any other loving couple has. And why shouldn&#8217;t <strong>gay men and women</strong> have that, under a civil law that proclaims itself to be <strong>FOR ALL MEN</strong>.</p>
<p>So when I see a figure like only <strong>30% support EQUALITY</strong>, it is a bit sad, a bit disheartening. To me, when you can&#8217;t see your way to support others having the <strong>same rights</strong> as you, well, it makes one a bit nervous. <span style="color: #0000ff;">What other rights do you believe others who are different than you, who believe differently than you, should not have?</span></p>
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		<title>Marriage Wins over Civil Partnership</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>cranky one</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a 4 to 3 decision, the California Supreme Court ruled that it just isn&#8217;t good enough to have a Civil Partnership or Union in place of calling it Marriage, even if the couple is homosexual. That it has to be Marriage is a victory, one that affirms that there is One Law for Everyone. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a 4 to 3 decision, the <strong>California Supreme Court</strong> ruled that it just isn&#8217;t good enough to have a Civil Partnership or Union in place of calling it Marriage, even if the couple is homosexual. That it has to be Marriage is a victory, one that affirms that there is <strong>One Law for Everyone</strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p>California already offers same-sex couples who register as domestic partners the same legal rights and responsibilities as married spouses, including the right to divorce and sue for child support.</p>
<p>But in the justices&#8217; recent 4-3 decision, they stated that domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage. (<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/05/15/california-court.html?ref=rss" title="from CBC News" target="_blank"><font color="#ff0000"><u><strong>source &#8211; CBC News</strong></u></font></a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>While some in the GLBT community thought it better to seek something called Civil Union, Domestic Partnership or some other catch phrase, I have maintained that anything less puts whatever rights given to those &#8216;new agreements&#8217; at risk. At any time, a legislature could alter or remove those rights, without flinching, because after all, it would only apply to the Queers. So why would mainstream America give a damn?</p>
<p><strong>The California Supreme Court seems to agree</strong>.</p>
<p>It was the same argument the racists used against granting equality to people of color back in the Sixties, which is why it is important to fight segregation at all times. <a href="http://www.gaystoryman.com/talk/index.php/2007/02/20/separate-not-equal/" title="Gay Talk on separate but not equal" target="_blank"><font color="#ff0000"><u><strong>Separate but Equal does not exist</strong></u></font></a>.</p>
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